KELLY MCEVERS, HOST:
The German journal Der Tagesspiegel final week printed a list that was 48 pages long, a list of names, ages, nationalities of some-more than 33,000 people who have died perplexing to strech Europe. The Dutch organisation UNITED for Intercultural Action has worked with nonprofits opposite Europe to accumulate this list. Geert Ates is a director. He started a list some-more than dual decades ago during initial to call courtesy to people who died perplexing to cranky a stream from Poland into Germany.
GEERT ATES: The people attempted to boyant a limit stream of Poland to Germany, and they got killed in this attempt. And both sides – a limit guards didn’t wish to have a passed bodies, so they were pulling with sticks on a passed bodies so that they boyant divided to a Baltic Sea. And this is – in a opinion, was rather scandalous, yet nobody paid courtesy since it was once a week maybe a tiny summary in a tiny journal locally that a passed physique was found.
ATES: And we started to notice since we were networking and operative Europe-wide – that this happened many some-more than we realized. And that’s how it started.
MCEVERS: And how are we means to determine people’s identities?
ATES: Identities is difficult. For a vast partial on this list, a people have no name. So we call it in Latin nomen nescio, N.N., since even in wars, governments try to bury a deaths with a name.
ATES: And many refugees are only buried but any name.
MCEVERS: Like, infrequently on a list, a person’s name will only be listed as Veronique from Kongo.
ATES: Yeah. Of march we never spoke to her. That is a news we got from a network. And we always try to have dual or 3 opposite sources. So all that’s insecure, we don’t publish.
MCEVERS: How accurate do we consider that is? Do we consider there are many some-more that we have not been means to document, generally now in this new call of people perplexing to strech Europe?
ATES: My guess operative in this margin for utterly a while is that it’s during slightest two, 3 times higher. we consider now we substantially find some-more of a deaths than in a past. In a past, it was tiny articles, and nobody was interested. And now all that is function is sepulchral in a media. But of march we never know what kind of routings people take and disappear somewhere in a mountains, for example.
MCEVERS: we know that families hit we now anticipating to get information about their blank relatives. How does that work?
ATES: Yeah. One of a reasons for us to keep this list is also kind of a grave, a memorial. And that also has a effect that we infrequently get a phone call from Arica. People ask us, hey, do we know where my hermit is? And honestly, we never know since we consider there’s many people in Africa that disappeared.
MCEVERS: Right. You know, over a years, of march a list has grown. It started during a thousand, afterwards 10,000. Now, again, it’s 33,000 people. What do we wish policymakers and people in Europe to consider when they see this list? What do we wish them to do?
ATES: In Europe where we have pronounced after a ’40s, that it should never again occur that people die as refugees, it’s function again. And that’s a categorical debate aim – to make famous what is function and to try to get domestic parties to emanate a prophesy on emigration and Europe and a surroundings.
MCEVERS: And that vision, yet – we mean, is that totally open doors?
ATES: Yeah. It’s – that’s a really formidable question. But open doors – no, we don’t consider that is an issue. But during a impulse in Europe, we don’t have any immigration policy. There’s not a complement like immature cards like in America. But if we wish to change it, we have to work on a some-more pacific universe around us, stop a fight in Syria, make certain that Africa develops economically ’cause of march we can't have everybody vital together in one tiny town. And we have to discharge resources better.
MCEVERS: Geert Ates, appreciate we so much.
ATES: Thank you.
MCEVERS: Geert Ates is executive and co-founder of a Dutch organisation UNITED for Intercultural Action, that keeps a regulating list of people who have died perplexing to get to Europe.
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