MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:
President Trump currently announced Jerusalem as a collateral of Israel, something he pronounced was overdue. He called it a approval of reality. He pronounced a U.S. stays committed to bringing assent to a region.
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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: This preference is not dictated in any approach to simulate a depart from a clever joining to promote a durability assent agreement. We wish an agreement that is a good understanding for a Israelis and a good understanding for a Palestinians.
KELLY: We’re conference greeting to President Trump’s proclamation from a region, also from here in a U.S. today, including Ambassador Dennis Ross. He’s suggested 4 U.S. presidents on a Middle East, and he’s here in a studio now. Welcome.
DENNIS ROSS: Nice to be with you. Thank you.
KELLY: What do we make of this pierce – good idea, bad idea?
ROSS: If a purpose of a thought is to emanate a new baseline in terms of noticing a existence that Jerusalem or during slightest a partial of Jerusalem is Israel’s collateral and will always be a capital, we can see a proof of that. The logic, we would say, would be some-more constrained if it had been finished in a context of presenting a plan. Jared Kushner a integrate of days ago…
KELLY: The president’s son-in-law and now comparison adviser, yeah.
ROSS: Right. He spoke about a fact that a administration was going to benefaction a devise to understanding with Israeli-Palestinian peace, and it was going to understanding with a large issues, not a tiny issues. Obviously Jerusalem is one of a large issues. So if you’re going to have a plan, wouldn’t it make a many clarity to hide this in that devise – since when we do that, that devise will fundamentally also have elements in it that a Palestinians and a Arabs will indeed see as a good thing so it creates it easier to catch something like this which, from their standpoint, raises questions about either their needs, their rights, their interests will unequivocally be famous in terms of a negotiations that and a arriving devise that is going to be presented.
KELLY: We elsewhere on a uncover currently interviewed a Palestinian envoy to a United States, Husam Zomlot. He told us that he thinks this raises genuine questions about a U.S. and a ability to offer as an effective go-between going forward. That doesn’t seem to bode well.
ROSS: Well, it doesn’t bode well. But again, we would put it in a kind of context. For a Palestinians and for a Saudis and for a Jordanians, a Egyptians, Jerusalem is a really poignant romantic issue. For a Palestinians in particular, they can’t prognosticate carrying a state though Jerusalem, during slightest a partial of Jerusalem being their capital. So anything that looks like this has already been motionless creates it really formidable for them. And even worse than that, from their standpoint and clearly from a standpoint of a other Arabs, if it allows a Iranians or Hamas or al-Qaida or Hezbollah to say, look; these countries have acquiesced and conceded Jerusalem already, that puts them on a defensive.
So in their response to what a boss has announced, they roughly don’t have a choice though to be really negative, quite since they were sensitive of this fundamentally a day ago. So they have to conflict a approach they had. Had this been prepared, had a belligerent for this been worked out sensitively with them months ago, afterwards we consider that position could be rather different.
KELLY: For people who do not follow a Middle East closely, who might never have been to Jerusalem, paint us a small bit of a design of how a stream standing of Jerusalem as a contested city came to be.
ROSS: From 1948 to 1967, Israel existed. Its position was usually in West Jerusalem. When Israel and a Six-Day War, a 1967 fight – when Israel took East Jerusalem, it announced immediately after a fight – never be divided again and that in fact this would now be Israel’s capital. Now, no one internationally supposed that position. Although ironically, again, as a boss pronounced correctly, everybody has dealt with Israel in Jerusalem since that’s where a chair of supervision is.
ROSS: So here, what we have is…
KELLY: The existence is that the…
ROSS: Yeah, we have an confirmation of reality.
KELLY: The legislature, a primary minster – they’re all…
ROSS: You have an acknowledgment of reality. But afterwards we get behind into this doubt of, well, so how do we arrange out a doubt of a assemblage of Jerusalem? The Palestinians clearly have claims. The Palestinians prognosticate if they have a state, they can’t suppose carrying a state though during slightest a partial of Jerusalem being a collateral for that state. So here’s where we come behind into a doubt of, all right, how are we going to arrange this out?
And that’s since observant a permanent standing of Jerusalem can usually be resolved by traffic – as a boss said, a bounds have to be resolved. The government has to be resolved and who has it and where. Is there one capital? Are there dual capitals for dual states? All that has to be resolved by traffic that has not been prejudged by what he did today.
KELLY: Does today’s movement order that out – a thought that this could be a common collateral going forward, that a U.S. could commend Jerusalem as a collateral of Israel and also as a collateral of some destiny Palestinian state?
ROSS: If we listen to a difference of what a boss said, it does not order that out.
KELLY: Does that give we wish that, we know, in some destiny career, as you’re advising your fifth and sixth U.S. presidents (laughter), we might be carrying a opposite review down a road?
ROSS: Well, as someone who has worked on this for a really prolonged time, roughly by definition, we never give adult wish since we consider a notation we give adult hope, we doom a probability of ever being means to grasp peace. And we consider one of a biggest problems we have right now is that both sides have mislaid all clarity of possibility, and they mistrust any other. The pivotal to creation an bid right now is, how do we revive a clarity of possibility? How do we revive a clarity that an agreement indeed is possible?
KELLY: Dennis Ross, appreciate you.
ROSS: My pleasure.
KELLY: The longtime U.S. diplomat, also author of a book on U.S.-Israel family patrician “Doomed To Succeed.”
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